Dear Hellekin,

I understand, we agree that something needs to be done to change the course of things and to avoid, or at least, minimize the negative consequences of the current economic model.

Negative effects that will be felt mainly by the poorest.

I think the difference is in the way each one acts.

Some people engage in macro-scale strategies, while others, like me, are more dedicated to micro-scale actions. Or nano-scale :-)

I think all of these strategies are important. And respect all initiatives to improve people's quality of life.

Please, let me just comment one more question about Waters.

In the last message i talked about the importance of acting in the "risk perception" about the theme Water with analytical devices.

Now I would like to comment on the "perceived value" (www.investopedia.com/terms/p/perceived-value.asp) of sewage.

People, generally, just discard sewage and consider it worthless, and spend an important part of their income to buy energy mainly for cooking and heating.

Now imagine "affordable", "optimized" and "automated" biodigesters projects for "home use" converting black water (sewage) and food waste to biogas (at home).

Wouldn't it be a way to to influence the "perception of value" of sewage and thus contribute to reducing the organic load of domestic sewage?

Many people, perhaps the majority, would be interested only in saving money spent on energy.

But everyone could benefit from reducing the organic load that reaches rivers and consequently the pollution, at some level, of some urban rivers.

Especially in the poorest regions.

Thanks for the references to the projects.

I didn't know about these initiatives.

And thank you for your attention and contributions.

All the best,
Markos

Markos,

I completely agree with you that given the right tools ordinary people
will "do the chemistry". Yet with information alone we cannot change
anything. Before the Snowden Apocalypse we knew something was wrong, and
Snowden brought the proof: yet seven years later, not much has changed
and if the struggle works down the line of breaking systems, its pace
remains relatively slow compared with the harm broken out to the world
by powerful systems ; even inertia beats the good waves any time. For
years, we've had pollution measurement kits
(https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=pollution&go=Go),
water-oriented hackerspaces (Yachachiq in Peru, Hackerfleet, Waterspace
in the Philippines), yet no single coordinated action has taken place
like for blinkenlights or hackerspace hardware, the space program or
microcontrollers: there's an attention-shifting issue at work here.
Despite the yearly radical shake up of CCC, few inter-hackerspace
projects focus on matters of life, except maybe in threatened places
where such matters do count right now.

I was only questioning the quotes around (water) "for all": were you
quoting something I missed, or expressing some kind of limitation on the
outreach of "for all"?

Cheers,

==
hk


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